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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:10:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Null sec sucks. Plain and simple.
-I don't like being Meatshield #1572314.
-I don't like all the good spawned belts and sites being reserved for CEO's and friends.
-I don't like having to haul all of my stuff out there myself, one ship at a time.
-I don't like seeing all the manufacturing slots reserved for privileged alliance members.
-I don't like seeing non PvP operations halted indefinitely by an afk pilot in local. (I don't care, but apparently everyone else is too spooked).
-I don't like being told to sod off because I'm not flying the correct ship into battle with the correct fittings.
-On the flipside, I don't like getting scolded for not participating enough in battles.
-I don't like being tossed aside and considered useless when supercaps enter the field (and they always do).
-I don't like going on 8+ hour roving gangs only to catch a single pilot flying a T1 cruiser at a gate.
-I don't like having to go ten to fifteen jumps away from our 0.0 home just to rat as all nearby belts are saturated with fellow alliance mates.
-I don't like being told that PI in our 0.0 home is reserved for privileged individuals only.
A lot of drastic changes would be necessary to get me back out in 0.0. It's just not worth it.
If that's really how your 0.0 experience has been, then boy have you found the wrong 0.0 corp/alliance. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:31:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:The entry barrier for corps/alliances that aren't already established in 0.0 is too high.
Oh, you'll get absolutely no argument from me there. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:35:00 -
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When you say 80% of the game, do you discount hisec alts of nullsec people? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:41:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:Eve can use quite a few tweaks and twiddles to be sure, but the idea of enticing/pushing/forcing/punishing high-seccers into lower sec areas and into higher levels of pvp is just bad business and fights the nature of a species the majority of which wishes to survive and procreate which is why they create governments and military forces and police forces in the first place...
This is the only paragraph I really wanted to comment on, for one simple reason: what's wrong with enticing hiseccers into going into lowsec/nullsec? There's literally no other way to get people out there, they won't move there unless they want to. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:16:00 -
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Literally the only thing I can see, offhand, that needs to be nerfed in hisec right now, is incursions. Other than that, what I think needs to be done is to both make SOV incentivize using multiple small fleets to attack multiple solar systems (so there's actual strategy in where fleets are deployed and what number, instead of just pack 1000+ into one system 6 times and move on to the next), and increase the rewards dramatically for the individual pilot in lowsec and nullsec. It would probably be best if it wasn't even a raw isk reward, but just all-round qualitative improvements for the individual pilot. Better research, manufacturing, refine, mining, you name it, it should just be better and more lucrative.
Not every rebalance has to be a heavy-handed nerf to hisec. :colbert: |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:00:00 -
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Have you been looking at nullsec lately? It's stagnating, and the best way to rectify that is to bring in new blood. Additionally, I've spoken to quite a few of my former corpmates who are saying that if the rewards made it worth moving to nullsec, they'd try to move out there again. They've tried to get out there more than once, and they've always run out of steam because they ran out of funds to stay out there, and actually taking a system was too much of a grind favoring the defender too heavily.
I don't see why you're seemingly so against the idea that we (nullsecers) might want to try to get more people out to nullsec, people who are on the fence and who might get swayed by the promise of higher rewards than in empire. It's not like we're saying we want EVERYONE out of hisec, we just want to make it that little bit more tempting to go to nullsec. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.01 21:23:00 -
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Fair point. I'd say that NPC nullsec should be a step below player owned nullsec in profitability etc, though, because there's always the risk of having all your assets frozen in station, which you can't in NPC nullsec. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:32:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:A lot of folks are saying "Highsec needs less reward for the low risk it carries."
Why? What is the in-game effect people object to?
For one, the recent addition of a 100m/h isk faucet called incursions.
Thredd Necro wrote:High-sec is all about as much low-risk high reward as is possible and it is designed that way and no amount of constant denial and repeating of "high-sec should be have a worse risk/reward ratio and be less profitable" will make that any less true.
Why should hisec be lower risk and higher reward than lowsec or nullsec? What sort of incentives should anyone have for leaving?
Thredd Necro wrote:Put together some numbers comparing high-sec and null-sec and show justification for wanting to close a risk/reward ratio and profitability gap that should already be fairly significant given the two environments.
If I could stand the gibberish language the incursions inflict upon everyone entering an incursioned system, I could be making 100m/hour. Or, if I do what I normally do, i.e. market fuckery, I could earn as much as a supercarrier in a day or a week if I'm lucky. In fact, I just did.
Now, tell me why I should leave that if I'm not in the game for the shooty style of PVP. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.02 07:54:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:TLDR Version of the high-sec/null-sec conversation: High-sec: "Hey, Isn't high-sec great?! The living is safe, the money is good and you can go out and fight during the day and then come home at night and sit down and have a beer and watch the news!" Null-sec: "**** that you candy-ass carebears!! I'm a REAL pilot, mufuggah! I will get up in somebody's grill 24/7/365 while you bitches go home put on your ******* bunny slippers and read the GOD-DAMN paper! I chase mufuggahs all GOD-DAMN day LONG!! I burn so many GOD-DAMN ships that my bank account rides the red line EVERY ******* MONTH MUFUGGAH!!! How about you? High-sec: "Well i have a retirement fund and some investments, you know, stocks and such." Null-sec: "Stocks and such? RETIREMENT?!! Carebear, you ******* CRAZY!!! Why aren't you in null-sec killin mufuggahs and burning through ships like charlie sheen burns through hookers and *******, mufuggah!!! WTF is WRONG with you mufuggah?!! High-sec: "Um, why would I want to live like that?" Null-sec: "Why would you want to live like that? WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT? Because Only REAL pilots live like that, stupid, stagnant, carebear mufuggah!!!" High-sec: "Well, have you ever thought about moving back to high-sec and saving some money?" Null-sec: "**** NO!!! I ain't no candy-ass carebear just sitting on my stagnant ass MAKING money. Who MAKES money? I am a REAL mufugging pilot! We don't MAKE money in null-sec, we SPEND money mufuggah!! In null-sec we are BAD mufuggahs and we will kick your mufuggin carebear a--" High-sec: "Okay I get it." Null-sec: "Sho nuff...Um...Can I get tree fiddy?" 
Um, what?
Ok, seriously, are we even talking about the same conversation at this point? Because that's not even remotely close to what I said.
Actually, nevermind, if this is going to be how you treat the discussion, then further discussion with you on this subject is going to be unproductive, and as such a waste of time. Good day to you, sir. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:47:00 -
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I don't give a flying **** if that's how "lots of nullseccers talk and act", I don't want to have that sort of bullshit thrown in my face when I'm trying to have a serious discussion. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:53:00 -
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True Sight wrote:A nice thread, so I wanted to drop some suggestions...
Manufacturing
The mechanics are a little boring at the moment and there's no real way for someone to set themselves apart from someone else.
Why not make ships, modules, etc show who made it? I'd feel a touch of pride if I flew a ship or used a module which said "Made in Bat Country by Lord Zim". |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:07:00 -
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I don't know about that, I meant more like an actual property attached to the hull or module, which you could see when looking at the description, attributes or somesuch. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:12:00 -
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Well, that article certainly isn't filled with assumptions and tinfoil. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:00:00 -
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Are you still going on about how buying PLEX is "losing CCP money"?
And you're still seriously going on about "whiny afraid to undock alone players", while you're sitting in hisec? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:07:00 -
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Ok, so you're not in hisec, but you're still going on about how buying PLEX is losing CCP money? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:43:00 -
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If you were to run an MMO, would you implement a way for people to buy timecodes for less than they would pay if they did a pay pr 1 month subscription? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:41:00 -
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Actually, I just checked. I pay $15/mo for my month to month subscription, and CCP sells 60 day timecodes for $35. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2011.11.10 19:42:00 -
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Um. Ok, you're either changing what you're arguing, or you're awful at elucidating what it is that you're actually arguing, because what I thought you were arguing was how PLEXes (and by extension people who use them to keep their accounts up and running) were costing CCP money. Now you're saying that what you really meant was that f.ex shatteredcrystal is getting the 60 day GTCs for less than $35 and selling them on for $35, so obviously CCP is losing money?
There's a few things you're not taking into account when making this assertation, however, and that's the fact that the GTCs CCP are selling are physical items that are sent to you via post. This costs money, which means that while CCP is getting $35 in, the end result is less. Shatteredcrystal probably purchase these in bulk, and as such probably gets a discount. They scan it in, put it in a database, and waits for people who needs a GTC to purchase one from them. It's sent to the customer via email, which doesn't cost much. Shatteredcrystal wins, CCP wins.
In fact, CCP probably wins for multiple reasons: when you can get the GTC within half an hour (or less) after you've ordered it, you're more inclined to actually buy it, than if you have to buy it and wait a few days for it to arrive in your physical mailbox. So the velocity of the GTCs is higher. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:20:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:They attack a comment that is clearly factual because it put their icon in a poor light.
Pray tell, which comment have I "attacked" which is clearly factual? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2011.11.14 02:16:00 -
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Temba Ronin brought in the fact that there are people using plex to play, and argued that it was losing CCP money. vOv |
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